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Basic craps Statistics. One question I get asked a lot is 'what is the probability of a shooter lasting x rolls in craps?' The following table answers that question for up to 50 rolls. The first column is the roll number. The second column is the probability of a seven-out on exactly that roll. In other words, your system can win four consecutive times (Field 3,4,9,10,11. 3) and one of the Place Bets and then a Seven negates all wins, or four non 12/2 Field Numbers can come up in a row, but if the next number is a Seven, you still lose. I'll do some probability Math on this later if you confirm how the Progression would work.
The Craps Mini Field-Place System Tested
by Steve “Heavy” Haltom
by Steve “Heavy” Haltom
Regardless of the fact that no system out there will beat a negative expectation game over the long run, articles about betting systems and strategies seem to get far more positive comments from readers than any other articles we publish. For that reason, in this article we’re going to focus on none other than with the infamous Field-Place System. Sold in magazines, bookstores, and on-line under dozens of different names for sixty years or more, the Field-Place System is one of the oldest strategies around. These days a popular variant is called the Iron Cross. Barstow used to call a similar strategy the Treadmill, which in itself should tell you what he thought of it. It’s been marketed as the 87% System, the Anything but Sevens System, the Fremont Street Grind, and under at least a dozen more names – many of which I won’t mention here because they were the names the players came up with for this play after investing hundreds of dollars in it and losing thousands more.
The play itself is relatively simple. Most of you are well acquainted with it. You make Place bets on the Five, Six, and Eight plus a bet in the Field. The Field bet covers the Two, Three, Four, Nine, Ten, Eleven, and Twelve. You’ll sometimes see urban players running a similar strategy using the Big 6-8 bet instead of Place betting the Six and Eight. These guys like the “self-service” bets like the Big 6-8 and the Field and play more of an intuitive game than most of us. Irregardless, the idea is to cover every number on the dice except the Seven. It’s better to make two unit bets on the place action and one unit bets in the Field but you can play it at the one unit level, which is what we’re talking about here when we discuss the “Mini Field-Place System.” You risk four units total and you are guaranteed some sort of a win (or a push on the urban version assuming the player also places the five) on every toss – unless that Seven shows. For players who first “discover” this system it’s often some sort of a “Eureka!” moment. They believe they’ve found the Dutchman’s Lost Mine. Then they take it to the table and learn the truth about Fool’s Gold.
How do the payouts work in this play? Let’s assume a $5 game that pays double on the Two and triple on the Twelve in the Field. You’ll have to wager $6 each on the Six and Eight Place bets but can get by with $5 on the Five and in the Field, so your total wager will be $22. Now, you could take that same $22 and bet $22 inside, but you’d only get paid if an inside number rolled. Remember, the Field-Place System, which we’re playing at the table minimum, gets you paid on every decision unless the seven rolls. Here are the payouts:
Two Rolls – Pays $10 in the Field
Three Rolls – Pays $5 in the Field
Four Rolls – Pays $5 in the Field
Five Rolls – Lose the $5 Field bet – win $7 for the Place bet – Net Win $2
Six rolls – Lose the $5 Field Bet – win $7 for the Place bet – Net Win $2
Eight rolls – Lose the $5 Field Bet – win $7 for the Place bet – Net Win $2
Nine Rolls – Pays $5 in the Field
Ten Rolls – Pays $5 in the Field
Eleven Rolls – Pays $5 in the Field
Twelve Rolls – Pays $15 in the Field Aquarius gambling horoscope.
Three Rolls – Pays $5 in the Field
Four Rolls – Pays $5 in the Field
Five Rolls – Lose the $5 Field bet – win $7 for the Place bet – Net Win $2
Six rolls – Lose the $5 Field Bet – win $7 for the Place bet – Net Win $2
Eight rolls – Lose the $5 Field Bet – win $7 for the Place bet – Net Win $2
Nine Rolls – Pays $5 in the Field
Ten Rolls – Pays $5 in the Field
Eleven Rolls – Pays $5 in the Field
Twelve Rolls – Pays $15 in the Field Aquarius gambling horoscope.
Casino bonus blaster. So far the math looks great on this system. It’s all win win win – pay pay pay. Of course, on your two strongest numbers – the Six and the Eight – your wins are diluted by your loss in the Field. The loss on the win on the Five Place bet in the Field also dilutes the win there. Those diluted payoffs – combined with the frequency at which the Seven rolls in relation to the other numbers – turn this into a negative expectation strategy. On average, for every 36 rolls of the dice you’ll win $123, but you’ll also lose $132. That’s a $9 loss over 36 rolls, or .25 cents a roll for those of you who are struggling with Common Core math.
Of course, what the system player is looking for is enough variance in the game to put him ahead so that he can walk away with a win. He may approach the game with a number in mind – say to win $150. But to get the kind of variance he needs on a dollar per dollar basis he can’t rely on volatility alone. So he has to increase his bet size. Instead of betting $5 on the Five and $6 on the Six and Eight he tests out different amounts. Say $50 on the Five, $60 on the Six and Eight and $25 in the Field. The logic is that he’s always assured of getting green chips in his payout so he’ll reach that $150 win objective quicker. The problem is that variance is a two-edged sword. To front that sort of average bet he needs a session bankroll of $1500 instead of $150. The stack of quarters extracted from every decision adds up quickly. And don’t forget – you only WIN one bet at a time. When the Seven shows ALL of those bets lose. I recall standing next to a guy who was playing the system at this level once. He was loudly bragging to everyone at the table how great it was as he locked up a full rail of green chips. Then he started to get quiet as the chips began to migrate back to the other side of the table. In the end he gave it all back plus what he bought in for – and went back to the ATM for a bankroll infusion and re-buy. He had the volatility he needed. He just didn’t have the discipline to quit while he was ahead.
Out of curiosity, I noodled around and found an archival test of the Field-Place System against the 72 Hours at the Casino book. Admittedly, the 14,967 rolls in that book have a slight dark-side bias, so it was obvious that the system would fare worse than in the statistical example cited above. It was even worse than I expected. The total win was $50,969. The total loss was $56,628. The net loss was $5,659.
72 hours at the casino. 72 of the most miserable hours of your life. It works out to about 36 two hour sessions or 18 four hour sessions. Hell, there was a time when I played that much in a single weekend. These days it might take me a month to get in that much play. Still, do you have an extra $5,659 to lose making $5 minimum bets?
Neither do I. And now you know why I hate this play.
Do yourself a favor. Just say no to this sort of thing and learn to beat the game by influencing the dice and betting the dice right.
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superrick
From time to time, I get asked these type of questions, when someone reads about something like this on one of the boards! The posters said he rolled 15 field numbers in a row. I guy that is asking me wants to know if I've ever seen someone do that!My answer was no in all my years of playing craps that is one that I've not seen happen! So for all you math guys that we all depend on so much, what would be the odds of rolling 15 field numbers in a row?
superrick
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion..! You do good brada .! superrick Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/index.php ..
DJTeddyBear
The short answer is this: There is a 16 / 36 = 0.444444444 chance that the NEXT roll is a field.There is a ( 16 / 36 ) ^ 15 = 0. 0.000005215 chance that the NEXT 15 ROLLS are all fields. (i.e. 1 in 191,751)
The chance that you'll see such an outcome at all? That really depends upon how many rolls you see..
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rdw4potus
Never mind. Dave is too fast!Craps Field Bet Numbers
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7craps
Agree with DJ here
very next 15 rolls or any set of 15 rolls in a row
0.000005215095051
1 in 191,751.059
Now..
at least 1 time in the next 150 rolls
0.000396285480908
1 in 2,523.433
at least 1 time in the next 1,500 rolls
0.004298595447968
1 in 232.634
at least 1 time in the next 15,000 rolls
0.042493558426407
1 in 23.533
at least 1 time in the next 150,000 rolls
0.352458584520565
1 in 2.837
1 million rolls
0.944831707413646
http://www.pulcinientertainment.com/info/Streak-Calculator-enter.html
added:
The average number of dice rolls to see 15 in a row is
345,150.11
Meaning one just keeps rolling the dice until the event happens
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/8141-on-average-how-many-trials-will-it-take-to-see-a-streak-of-8-qs-for-fun/
I personally in about 10k rolls have had 2 steaks of 12 in a row Field hits.
No one bet the first one (The Strat)
Many bet the 2nd one (El Cortez)
at least 2 runs of length 12 or more in 10k rolls
0.043690201836681
1 in 22.89
very next 15 rolls or any set of 15 rolls in a row
0.000005215095051
1 in 191,751.059
Now..
at least 1 time in the next 150 rolls
0.000396285480908
1 in 2,523.433
at least 1 time in the next 1,500 rolls
0.004298595447968
1 in 232.634
at least 1 time in the next 15,000 rolls
0.042493558426407
1 in 23.533
at least 1 time in the next 150,000 rolls
0.352458584520565
1 in 2.837
1 million rolls
0.944831707413646
http://www.pulcinientertainment.com/info/Streak-Calculator-enter.html
added:
The average number of dice rolls to see 15 in a row is
345,150.11
Meaning one just keeps rolling the dice until the event happens
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/8141-on-average-how-many-trials-will-it-take-to-see-a-streak-of-8-qs-for-fun/
I personally in about 10k rolls have had 2 steaks of 12 in a row Field hits.
No one bet the first one (The Strat)
Many bet the 2nd one (El Cortez)
at least 2 runs of length 12 or more in 10k rolls
0.043690201836681
1 in 22.89
Doc
![Craps Field Numbers Craps Field Numbers](https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2016/12/20/14/15/number-1920575_960_720.png)
Never mind. Dave is too fast!
By the time I had a post composed, not only had Dave given his answer, but Russ had complained about it. All I could add is that the chance of getting exactly 15 straight (and then getting a non-field number on roll #16) would be:
P= 2.897 x 10^(-6) or about 1 chance in 345,152.
PapaChubby
Question: 'I just saw a guy roll 15 field winners in a row! What are the odds of that happening?'
My smartass answer: 'One. Because you just saw it happen.'
My smartass answer: 'One. Because you just saw it happen.'
Ayecarumba
From time to time, I get asked these type of questions, when someone reads about something like this on one of the boards! The posters said he rolled 15 field numbers in a row. I guy that is asking me wants to know if I've ever seen someone do that!
My answer was no in all my years of playing craps that is one that I've not seen happen! So for all you math guys that we all depend on so much, what would be the odds of rolling 15 field numbers in a row?
superrick
My answer was no in all my years of playing craps that is one that I've not seen happen! So for all you math guys that we all depend on so much, what would be the odds of rolling 15 field numbers in a row?
superrick
The thing that throws most folks is that the, '15 field rolls in a row' that has already occured, does not alter the probability of a field number on the next, or any future rolls. The 'odds' provided in the answers above (except the streak calculations), specifically refer to a future 15, (and only 15) rolls of the dice.
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7craps
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I saw exactly 15 Field Numbers thrown in a row in Atlantic City in the early 2000s. Not much is impossible in Craps, improbable not impossible. In my 12 years of playing Craps; I've seen so many anomalies on a Craps table..there's not much I won't believe.
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